"The work-life balance was at the heart of it," adds de Wit, who disagrees with the suggestion that their staff are now doing less work for the same amount of money. Instead he puts it down to "working smarter not harder".
You can listen to the full interview with Baroness Kidron on BBC Radio 4 at 17:30 GMT on Saturday on or BBC Sounds.
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